PORQUE SOY ANTINATALISTA

 why i'm an anti-natalist anti-natalism

is a philosophy that places a negative

value on birth

we hold that it is immoral to create and

birth children

this is not directed at women who are

raped in places where they don't have

access to abortion

since in this case the woman didn't

choose the birth of the child at all

in that circumstance it would 100

percent be the fault of the rapist

i'd also like to give some credit to the

youtube channel vegan atheist and more

since i got some of my points from her

video

since this is primarily a vegan channel

i'll start with why not to procreate as

it relates to veganism

the problem is that even if you raise

your child as a vegan

you can't guarantee that they will still

be vegan their entire life

children do not become carbon copies of

their parents

they're exposed to many other influences

throughout their life

you do not have total control over how

your kid ends up

many kids like to rebel and many don't

hold the ethics of their parents

and you can't guarantee that all of

their kids will be vegan

each animal eating human kills thousands

of animals throughout their lifetime

if even one person down this family line

you create

is not vegan you condemn thousands of

animals to lifelong confinement

torture mutilation and murder don't take

the risk if you want to try and raise a

vegan generation

adopt a kid that already exists there

are many

many vegans already do support a form of

anti-natalism anyways

towards formed animals we argue against

the bizarre idea that animal agriculture

is

good because otherwise the animals

wouldn't have been born

clearly the life of hell and an

inevitable murder

isn't worth it and these animals are

better off not being bred

but on to the general case for

anti-natalism

what is most people's greatest fear

death

according to surveys throughout our

lives we experience

existential anxiety about our impending

death

but what is the cause of death

supposedly the worst thing that can

happen to you

life the givers of life are also the

givers

of death in fact creating a child is

in a way worse than murder murder is

clearly not okay

but at least when you murder someone you

kill someone that was going to die

someday regardless

when you create a new child you create a

new death

that never needed to exist they wouldn't

have needed to have a death if they had

never been born

when you create a child don't just think

about how cute the baby is gonna be

think about how painful their death is

gonna be most people don't die a

dignified death in their sleep in old

age

most people die slowly and painfully and

miserably

is your child going to die at five years

old run over by a car

at 20 trapped inside a burning house at

25 drowned alive

at 30 as a victim of murder at 60 of

cancer or heart disease

you have no idea if you have no idea

what the quality of their death is going

to be

it's irresponsible to risk it and what

about all the risks while they're alive

that you're exposing them to

would you put your child into a

playground where there was a 1 in 5

chance of them being raped if they're a

girl

and a 1 in 21 chance if they're a boy

obviously it would be terrible parenting

to put them there with such a high risk

of rape

but life is this playground and these

are the chances you're gambling with

when you create a child

who didn't consent to live in the first

place and be exposed to this risk

you cannot guard your child 24 7 for the

rest of their lives to prevent this

i love my non-existent kids too much to

put them at that risk

you have no way to tell the future

people have a serious flaw where they

see bad things in the world

and say that won't happen to me and my

children those things happen to

other people but that is also what

other people thought you don't have as

much control as you think you do over

your life

and especially not over your child's

life you have no way to truly prevent

your child

from being exposed to natural disasters

torture murder

war abuse discrimination or a vast

variety of illnesses

you have no way to ensure that you or

both parents won't

die and leave the child orphaned you

have no way to ensure

your child won't be born with or develop

a range of physical or mental

disabilities or illnesses

and you might say oh it's okay with me

however my child is

i'll love them and raise them well

alright

you are okay with it but how will the

child

feel about having to live that way if

they will be okay with it how much more

it will make them suffer people like to

justify birthing a child by the benefits

it will give to them

without actually considering the life

they're gambling with

that of the child you feel empty in life

and think a child will feel that

you think it will fix your marriage

first of all there's evidence that

parents are actually

worse off than non-parents and their

marriages suffer more

but most importantly that is using a

child as a pawn

as a means to your end and you may say

it's my personal choice you can't tell

me what to do

if i want a kid that's my business

it is a choice but it is not a personal

one

it very much has consequences for

another you are gambling on somebody

else's life

and you don't know where the dice are

gonna land you're not

psychic you can't guarantee your child

is even going to be glad they were born

you can't guarantee that your child is

not going to have suicidal ideation

somebody commits suicide about every 40

seconds

it's easy to ignore the real weight of

these things when it's not in front of

you and just say oh but most people are

glad they were born

so whatever about the minority that

disagree but imagine if every 40 seconds

a person were to hang themselves in

front of you

if you couldn't look away from reality i

think it would no longer seem like an

irrelevant concern

about a million people a year die by

suicide and there are about 20 times

more

failed suicide attempts there are many

more who consider it but are too scared

to do it or don't have the means to do

it or they experience more pain than

pleasure in their lives but their

biological survival instinct just won't

let them end it

there isn't a painless way to kill

yourself readily available

and if you do attempt there's a good

chance you will be intercepted or caught

by others in the effort

and survive the experience only to be

worse off

than before it due to physical injury

that could be severe or permanent

to claim that we can just kill ourselves

in response to the fact that we didn't

choose to be born

is like telling a slave that they can

just escape

sure you can try but you're more likely

to fail than succeed and you may suffer

more afterwards

that's not a real choice if we don't

choose being born

and it's risky to try and end our lives

we're essentially prisoners of the flesh

slaves to survival i find it really

cruel that when someone commits suicide

they are criticized for ending a life

they didn't agree to come into in the

first place and are called

selfish but nobody blames the parents

the people who selfishly brought them

into the world to suffer

if you consider life to be a wonderful

gift good

but you have no way to be sure that your

kid will feel the same way

and it doesn't always get better there

are absolutely people who have suicidal

ideation

their entire life even with therapy and

that's not necessarily irrational most

people are just lucky enough to have a

strong optimism bias and deny how bad

the world really is

but why would you even be okay with your

child temporarily experiencing suicidal

ideation

that's an immense degree of suffering

that was unnecessary because their birth

was unnecessary

a common retort to anti-natalists is

that we're just bitter

ungrateful people with psychological

problems

that need to get some help that we're

just depressed

but this just reinforces the argument if

one has persistent suicidal ideation

that just shows how wrong birthing a

child can go

not everyone feels the same about life

nor necessarily should they

it is irrelevant though to the topic of

anti-natalism

whether or not the proponent of

anti-natalism wants to die

never being born versus killing yourself

after already being alive

are two different topics whether or not

i like my life

which i sometimes do has no bearing on

whether or not it is ethical

to gamble with the life of a person that

doesn't yet exist

and decide to bring them into existence

and be exposed

to all of the risks that entails to get

along in life your child will likely

have to spend just as much

or more time earning their survival

through a job

than actually potentially enjoying their

survival

and then they may not even enjoy the

time they're not working either for any

host of reasons

toiling to continue suffering when

they're done toiling

you can't guarantee your child will end

up in a job they enjoy

they never chose to be a part of this

game at all because it's not their fault

they were born

they may struggle to even do said work

that they need to survive

and especially to thrive if they are

born with or develop certain

disabilities

especially if these disabilities affect

social skills they will be a lot harder

pressed

or if they have social anxiety disorder

people with social anxiety disorder make

less money and have a much harder time

managing to find a job

and then what's the chance you can

afford therapy if you don't make much

money

because of social anxiety disorder

i think most people overestimate how

good their lives really are

not realizing that they spend a lot of

the time dreaming about a better future

hoping for it to get better trying to

improve it

not realizing they're rarely happy now

but even if it is pretty good for a time

in the end it tends to get worse

because you get old and sick people like

to try and say that the pain is okay

because there's pleasure in life

but pain is heavier than pleasure i

think few people would be willing to

experience

five minutes of the most intense pain to

then experience

five minutes of the most intense

pleasure the pain would not be worth it

it would be better to experience neither

and in terms of life as a whole nobody

is harmed by not being born

because you cannot miss that which you

never had nor were conscious of

nor could possibly be conscious of

because you don't have a brain

you cannot be missing pleasure if you

don't exist

if you don't exist you don't even have

desire for pleasure

and the desire for pleasure in and of

itself could be defined as the cause of

pain

as the buddhists have long said desire

is the cause of all suffering

but what's the cause of desire having a

brain

being sentient not being born is not a

harm because you cannot experience not

being born

but being born is a harm because it is

the only condition

in which suffering can even occur

it's not a matter of will my child

suffer it's a matter of

how much will my child suffer why should

they even suffer at all

when it's unnecessary people say

suffering

builds character what doesn't kill you

makes you stronger

i'm grateful for my trauma first of all

many are in fact worse off in the long

run because of their suffering

and second this doesn't answer why

suffering needed to exist in the first

place

seen as existence isn't necessary

when you create a life you create a new

vehicle of previously unfeeling matter

that now can experience suffering i

think every child is a frankenstein

experiment it's hard to admit this for

some because of our biologically

ingrained survival instinct

genes don't care about anyone's

well-being they just

propagate themselves and a survival

instinct and urge to reproduce

causes this propagation natural

selection fools us into thinking

birth is better than not birth and it is

rarely through actual reasoning that we

come to this conclusion

we might invent explanations like god or

divine command

but a belief based on bad evidence is a

bad excuse

to force all of the suffering that your

child will ever have to experience on

that

please do not let your faith which just

means unjustified belief

be an excuse for creating a whole new

experiencer of pain

but even if you deeply believe a god is

real a child

still has all of the aforementioned

risks and much

more it does not negate that

what reasons other than selfishness is

there really

to birth a child when there are millions

of children waiting to be adopted

because it's not the same because you

want them to kind of look like you

because you want a mini me is that not

ultimate narcissism

you might as well walk up to an orphan

yourself and tell them

i care more about a child kind of

looking like me than i care about you

since that essentially what it is saying

you can't afford to adopt well then you

can't afford to raise a child either

there are many people who clearly should

not have children

if the same restrictions on adoption

were put onto procreation

there would certainly be less

procreation because many people are not

in a good position to be a parent

you can want a child with all of your

heart and still be an anti-natalist

just adopt and reduce the suffering of

somebody that

already exists instead of exposing a no

being to suffering

alright thank you for listening and have

a good day

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